Welcome to another episode of the process and automation podcast. In our  episode today we will discuss democratizing automation using low-code. Um, and just a bit of a Roundup of, of news that’s happening in the hyper automation world, some acquisitions that have taken place. Um, and then also some, some new product features for some of the vendors. So it should be a good episode for our listeners. And I guess we can dive in.

Yeah. So, so that’s, let’s jump into our first topic. As I mentioned, we have a couple of news after that democratizing automation with low-code and no-code that’s um, yeah, that’s a topic. We, we, we talk quite a lot about, um, uh, here on the podcast couple sessions, um, because low code or no-code is just a thing in the market at the moment. And what do you think? What, why is everyone using low code no-code or wants to use low code no-code? Well, of course, you know, low and no code platforms, um, you know, provide very high scalability, performance and security, and also integrations, um, you know, across your, your, your enterprise.

And it gives you the ability to, to create these enterprise. Great applications that, um, you know, are, are very, very easy to, to configure. And, you know, they say that this is starting to democratize automation. And basically what that means is that. Um, it’s, it’s bringing it out to the masses, you know, um, a very high volume of low and no code developers are now sort of working in tandem with, uh, I guess, professional conventional developers, um, you know, to descale automation initiatives, um, across different enterprises.

And they are saying that, um, low no-code developers, um, you know, are, are set to sort of. Um, amplified the available development resources by, you know, up to three times, um, compared to sort of conventional, um, developers. So it’s, it’s kind of bringing enterprise developers for enterprise development.

Really. Um, to, to be very accessible for, for businesses, um, that we have a, um, the number increasing, isn’t it because. There’s just not enough skill in the market anyway, to be normal developer or we can’t access normal developers and we have to implement so much stuff. So many applications solutions, it cannot be done by, by the developers we have.

So new approach needs to be here. And that seems to be no coat, uh, into, in the future more than, than low code. Yeah. So I guess in the low end, the no-code space, um, what we seeing is they’ve done a recent survey, um, you know, looking at, uh, CXOs and they found that over 60% of those individuals are interested in, uh, you know, deploying low-code, uh, technologies or investing heavily in low and no-code tech technology. Um, roundabout 30% of those CXOs, um, is already leveraging Low code to build applications. Um, and from that percentage, when we say build applications, you know, I mean sort of deploying, uh, 50 or more applications, that’s workflow driven. So it’s a big market. It, it, it is expanding.

I think it’s becoming heavily mainstream. And also, I think the big driver for this, this, of course, the COVID 19 pandemic where, um, you know, uh, applications and solutions needed to build the build up very fast, very quickly. And of course, low and no-code technology is, is a great way to, to do. Um, you know, and a key driver for innovation as well, um, in, in, in businesses, um, you know, there’s certain surveys that’s been done.

Uh, I, I know that, uh, Forrester has done a total economic impact on, on several low-code vendors. Um, you know, uh, some of those, um, sort of the numbers in terms of return of investment is it’s, it’s, it’s really encouraging, uh, you know, some of the vendors, uh, their platforms, they low-code platforms. If you deploy it, it can take up to 70% less time to develop applications with.

Uh, proposition still, um, you know, we, we see a very, very big shift in it. A lot of adoption, a lot of people understand what it brings and you know, it goes back to your analogy of, of, of Lego blocks, you know? Uh, a box of Lego with loads of components, logging components, all the components work for components, forms, components, reporting components, integration components, and he’s really sort of putting all of those bits together in order to solve your business problem, but very quickly, and also.

Doing it in a, in a very agile fashion, almost like in a hyper agile fashion where you can discuss an idea for a potential solution. You can go away, assemble the blocks, showcase it back, um, you know, to, uh, to people that, uh, need to use the application. For example, provide you with feedback. You can change the application very quick.

And it’s a very fast moving, fast paced, um, sort of process. And in some instances it actually eliminates the need for a conventional business and analysis because when you speak to, I don’t know that they’re the end users, the stakeholders, and you talk about the problems. It’s very easy to come up with the solutions to those problems and almost instantly or near instantly, you know, in a couple of hours.

Then the result of, of a potential risk solution and, you know, The these tools, the local, the Norco to stay. They are so user-friendly structure these days. Um, everything visually drag and drop. I think everyone who is, is keen and lots of that, especially the younger generation entering the, the, the workforce.

They they’re they’re they’re so keen on. Playing around with things and they, they, they get these applications very, very quickly and they just, um, if they have an idea just to just try it out because they can’t, it’s so fast, you can’t really break anything. Um, they don’t have to worry about the typical things we have seen in the past, uh, in development.

Uh, is it secure? Okay, this is a great solution. But how about if you have, uh, uh, have to send them, have to deploy globally? How do you do that? So all those kinds of topics. Actually not a show, you have to be aware of them and know about them, but generally these, uh, these bigger platforms for no-code low-code, they take all that away.

So you mentioned that very early on, uh, scalability and performance and security that’s already dealt with. And this is a huge, huge topic when it comes to enterprise adoption. Of course. Um, and, uh, everyone can. Whatever idea they have wherever, wherever they are and what’s in the organization and whatever department, they can just build their own solutions.

And we see it. We’re not just an enterprise, but you also see it now with startups. They are so fast that they’re growing so fast. Um, they, they, they very often just concentrate on the main, main thing of the business. Basically building a. Uh, the start up core, uh, sort of objective, but when it comes to sort of also all the operations of a startup, a fast-growing startup, suddenly you need applications and you need solutions.

You need automations and. And everyone in these innovative companies to just pick up a no-code tool, a low-code tool, just build everything they need sort of in a couple of days and weeks. And, um, yeah, and it’s very customized to their, their, their own needs. They don’t need to buy something out of the box and like an SAP and customize it for months.

Yeah, exactly. And I think that comes back to the topic of the podcast. You know, it’s all about the democratizing development and, you know, bringing it liberating development, really to, to bring it out to the masses. So you can have more people experimenting with little solutions that makes a difference to.

They lives now, whether or not that’s a Microsoft flow application that, you know, opens up, uh, an email downloads, an attachment, and they save that in SharePoint, for example, or perhaps a collaborative team effort where it’s a full quote to cash process. Um, that’s got robotic process automation, a bit of artificial intelligence, uh, perhaps to, um, extract information from, from documents and turn it into structured data, workflow automation that handles approvals, and then, um, you know, digital forms to ensure that any data capture is done, um, online or can be, uh, pushed out to a mobile device, for example.

So, so all of these capabilities. Are out there. Um, and the democratization of it is it’s really bringing it to, to the various stakeholders, including non technical people, um, to build these solutions and to build it very fast. Um, to, to roll it out and then also to be able to change it. So should there be governance changes, um, or changes in any regulatory, um, sort of procedures, uh, or roles.

Um, you know, it’s, it’s, it’s very easy then to, um, roll those changes out. So it’s sort of for the people, I guess. Um, but of course, you know, we can’t, uh, airbrush conventional development outfit picture. They’ll always be a place for that. Um, you know, Uh, backend system, perhaps that you want to maintain where you want to overlay some of your low code solutions on top, um, which we recognize.

Um, but I think what we, what we saying here is that if you do have existing investments in your line of business systems and they feel slightly disconnected because, um, you know, the, the, the, the process that, um, that flows between our systems are not a hundred percent joined up. Low-code automation is a brilliant way to actually join those dots. And, you know, it allows you to carve out those, those really good user experiences to deal with. Well, You know, to, to carve out, um, the optimum path of, um, of the process to flow in order to achieve your outcomes. So there’s a lot of benefits. And I think that, um, you know, one of the things that that’s quite exciting is the fact that you can get started pretty quickly.

Um, you know, that most of the tools are very intuitive. It’s all drag and drop where, where there is, uh, creating electronic forms or creating a workflow or robotic sequence to the mimic human behavior. All of that is sort of with inside the realm of normal sort of citizen developers. And, uh, you know, even if it’s just from an ideation perspective where people sort of tinker with it and creating their own sort of automations, that makes them sense.

A difference for them and their productivity to full full-scale sort of enterprise deployments is there’s sort of a, it’s sort of something for everybody within cited. It’s not just reserved for, you know, a selection of people in it. And I think different people will, will choose different are sort of, I guess, different elements of a low-code or no-code project, and then be involved in, so, you know, some people.

I want to be involved with process discovery or ideation. Other people might want to conquer creating their own digital forms to get rid of Excel spreadsheets. For example, some people might be interested in creating a process, automations that. You know, it allows them to, uh, automate manual processes with the view to be able to see exactly for a particular process where an approval is, or, you know, get, get better, better visibility in, in, in, in a particular process.

So, so, you know, so it’s quite a, it’s quite a big rainbow and there’s a lot of space for, for people. You know, under it. And I think that the, you know, the, the best thing is to get started is to sort of dip your toe in it. Um, look out for those, those opportunities with inside your business, you know, look out for places where they are still sort of manual paperwork, manual scanning, email of documents, to different people for approvals, lots of emails, um, to, to, for instance, automate your accounts receivable accounts payable.

So there’s loads of these things, right? Um, I think that those are the things that screams out for, for low and no-code and again, you know, existing it investment in your line of business system that still stays. Um, I think the aim of this is not necessarily to get rid of it. The aim of this is just to, to actually make those.

Usually sort of deep back in systems that can sometimes be a bit disjointed and very complicated, quite easy to use by providing a very, very thin sort of veneer on top of it. That’s very consistent, very modern, easy to use. And, um, you know, and I that’s what the, that’s what this democracy looks like.

Right. Absolutely. You touched on it lightly. Um, uh, it really covers covers all the different areas of automation. Um, it might be, might be RPA, local RPA. So RPA in general is quite, quite easy to use. Um, and, uh, there are no code platforms for AI. Well, that process process mining has also that ID the idea of no code, low code, um, the, all the, all these areas.

Yeah. You can start on the pro level or you can really get to get really far, already was, was a no code level and, um, something where some people in the business. That wouldn’t be the sort of, uh, think of they think, oh, AI machine learning is super complicated. Sure. It might be in some scenarios, but you can get started with the low code platform.

And, um, and, and as well, when it comes to connecting these systems that I might be already I-PASS platforms, which are complicated. And there are some, either other platforms which are low code, no code. And so in all these areas, um, You can find the right vendors to, to cover these things. Maybe some vendors have everything in one platform, which makes it then maybe attractive or maybe more attractive than picking another platform.

But there is so much movement in the market in that area. Um, so even if you. Yeah, there are lots of Lego Lego blocks, and you can book on almost anything. Um, but uh, sometimes here you need this, uh, this extra special Lego blocks usually can’t find anywhere else. Um, maybe there’s another tool you just bring in, or you put your pro coder as, as, as it seems, this becomes sort of a term in comparison to a low code, no-code.

Um, You bring that protocol into to build you that very special Lego block. And then the whole team again, can use that special Lego block with no code and low code. So I think the combination, as you mentioned earlier on of, uh, of, of the low code and the pro coder, um, that’s, that’s what we see in the future.

Yeah, and I think it’s, it’s also, um, you know, it is interesting that, uh, you know, uh, a lot of the, the sort of the, the new talent, the new graduates that’s coming through, um, this is the world that they used to. It’s a world where, um, you can see sort of instant results and you don’t have to go very deep and code.

Uh, using high code or your solutions up, it’s literally assembling your solutions using drag and drop. And if you want to then change the configuration because you’ve got a requirement change and we have a new idea to, to change the way the application work, it is simply just a reconfiguration of your application.

So I think what we’re saying is that, you know, that that’s sort of that instant ability to be able to. See the results of, of putting an application together, um, low and no-code platforms is it’s the vehicle to, to actually provide that. And again, you know, if you look at that sort of the, the young talent that’s coming through, you know, we recently had some interns as well, uh, university graduates.

Um, they totally embrace it because. You know, for them, they so used to be able to, uh, do something very quickly or do something. And it’s sort of just there and it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s sort of instantly available. Um, and then to bring this sort of development methodology to that. I really, really embrace it.

And, and, you know, we see a lot of those people, um, actually, uh, excelling with, with, you know, rolling out these, these applications, because it is such an exciting thing to, to be able to use the different blocks, solve a problem using, um, perhaps I don’t know, an additional way to do it or to make it better change the configuration.

And then see the results pretty quick. Um, so I think, you know, going forward, we’ll, we’ll, we’re going to see a lot of the vendors, obviously, um, you know, investing a lot more and, and making low and low code platforms, um, accessible to even more people. I think Microsoft is probably leading that with their power automate initiative.

Of course, you know, most, most, most businesses that’s on the office 365. Uh, platform, um, you know, uh, for them kind of stepping into the Microsoft power automate, uh, sort of domain is really easy because it’s, it’s simply a question of, you know, going to your, your, your power automate sort of a dashboard and starting to configure your, your power automation.

Uh, flows and, and your power apps and, you know, bring in your, um, you know, your RPA, for example, if you need to, to, to upgrade to the Baltics scripts and it’s easy, it’s fast, it’s accessible. It’s, it’s quick, quick results driven. You can see stuff happen and you could roll it out, you know? Yeah, you mentioned earlier based on the study, um, 27% of enterprises have done sort of a good amount of processes, but, um, but this is, uh, yeah, it’s just 27%.

So, so we will definitely see so much more uptake, um, was in every organization from small to really large enterprises. So, and, uh, the market development. If the, if it really grows up to 25, 40 5 billion us dollars by 2025, uh, that will be just ridiculous in comparison to now, just in the next four years.

Um, we will definitely see this hockey stick growth. Um, uh, yeah, so it is the only way to actually get done with all the modernization of all the systems and going forward. Um, The answer is only, only that, because then we won’t have all this other developers and other types of developers. And even if we would have them available, it wouldn’t be in my mind that wouldn’t be the best way going forward.

Anyway, it doesn’t make sense. Um, always rely on developers anyway. Um, And we want to make these changes when the business needs to make a change, um, really get rid of these hundreds of spreadsheets and email processes. Uh, they, they, they don’t seem to go away. It really takes, it takes time. Um, yeah. And it requires this right tool set.

And now the tool set is there. It’s getting really, really good. Yeah. And the market is, we said, it’s, it’s moving crazy. Presently fast. Every, every it’s like every day, some, some new big announcement comes up. Isn’t it then, um, maybe a good segue into, into some of the, uh, the market movements recently. Yes.

So, uh, do you want to talk about the Appian and Lana acquisition? Yeah, absolutely. So, um, uh, Appian, um, as maybe one of the leading low code automation platform providers out there. So I’m concentrating on basic coming, coming a lot from the workflow BPM and case management world.

Um, yeah. Appian has developed, um, into this cloud, uh, full automation platform. Really including sort of the typical workflow case management still plus, um, um, having this low code approach for building, building apps, um, incorporating RPA, um, a couple of years ago, they also acquired now PA vendor, um, combining that was AI was native AI and cooperating with Google a lot and being open anyway, as a, um, as a system, um, connecting with any kind of application out there.

But, uh, yeah, recently they, they. Yeah they now added process mining into their platform and, uh, obviously a big, big step, everyone, um, uh, was, uh, keen to, to understand more, what is this acquisition? And, uh, yeah, they, they acquired Lana, which is a process mining, um, uh, platform, um, uh, made in Germany and, um, Yeah.

So they, they, they, they now acquired them to, to make Appian, um, from their perspective, sort of the most complete automation platform out there. So really looking at. Sort of all elements of intelligent automation, um, uh, or the sort of all the automation areas, intelligent document processing, AI process mining.

So pretty much everything is in there. That’s probably one, one part missing, which is the, the I-PASS element, which also becomes very important. And I wouldn’t be surprised if they actually doing that step as well. So yeah, the process mining market recently anyway, has lots of attention because of the biggest players Celonis in the market, just the pure play sort of, uh, process mining, actually, it’s not pure play to because they, they are building a few other things around their platform as well to, to, to approach intelligent automation.

From from their angle. Um, so they, they now reaching out to other sites to, to do more than just process mining. But anyway, so they, they really put process mining onto the, um, uh, sort of on the map, again, process mining and existing for quite some time to really identify what’s really going on in processes.

Um, and, but yeah, but very actually taking all these event data, which. Through all your systems. So based on that event data, um, you can, you can actually find out how everything is running. We need not just what someone thinks of pro how a process is running. That’s that’s really, really. Important, um, for, for larger corporations, especially when they are global.

And, um, people really don’t know how they, how the end to end process was working because that’s the important part. Sometimes someone knows, okay, my accounts payable departments, everything is smooth, but in these other eight departments, uh, part of the end to end process things that might be not so good.

And this, this, this, um, Celonis platform, for example, broad, broad, broad, this old. For example in a, in a really nice way. Um, and, and really shows where the, the sort of execution capacity is. And where we’re at actually the rotten apples are and execution. And that is also now jumping onto this, um, like any other, like, like many other vendors previously.

So Appian is not just the first, one of the big sort of other automation vendors. Um, so just last, last year we had. IBM acquiring my inveneo. So, which was already quite quite a well-known, uh, SAP, uh, quiets Ignacio. So, so they will have process mining and toss mining capabilities, and yeah, now it was. Um, what was about time that Appian is jumping on that as well?

And, um, yeah, it was, was that obviously we will get a really tight, tight integration, um, from really from, from process discovery to, to, um, to automation and improvements. So we really closing this, a typical business process management and business process, and then move in cycles and that, um, we discover we mine.

We we build applications. We improve, we automate more and, um, yeah, everyone is quite excited about this. Um, uh, uh, we are as Appian and partner, obviously very excited to try that out and see how we can put that into offerings. Um, yeah, and I think that there is obviously a race to, to expand process mining capability.

Like you said, I think it’s no surprise that Appian, acquired, Lana labs, um, you know, to, to bring sort of process mining capabilities onto their platform, talked a bit about process mapping and a couple of years ago, Nintex, uh, acquired Promap as. And that’s what to do with a process mapping and understanding processes and having a centralized repository to, to, um, you know, manage those processes and to, uh, control them version, control them and also to collaborate around them.

Um, nothing yet on the Nintex space, um, in terms of sort of true process mining itself. Again, that might be something that that’s, that’s in their pipeline that they’ve been looking up. Um, you talked a bit about Celonis acquisition of Integromat. Of course, that was a massive one. Um, and, uh, I think Celonis they raised a billion us dollars recently, so they already on a $11 billion valuation.

So, so it’s, that’s a huge market, of course, UI path acquired, set, shot and process gold as well. And you know, that that’s also for, for process mapping and understanding and process gold is as of course, um, the process process mining. Um, so, so I think this is probably, um, a lot coming in this space though, or for the other bigger vendors.

Um, you know, I think Microsoft is probably one of them as well to, to look out for. Um, they probably already scouting around to, to understand how the, how they can join this party. And the thing is. And the market is in such a, such a movement. As I mentioned earlier, that every, every week you find out about the new up-and-coming, uh, player, um, and there’s maybe another startup like Lana already, um, uh, sort of available, um, or really active coming up with a nice angle to maybe process mining, not saying go to something else.

Um, And just, just because of that, then they are a good fit. Maybe it was Microsoft platform, but, uh, yeah, it is, it is really the race currently what’s going on. Uh, and then,

so just moving on to, um, the next interesting, um, acquisition is, um, Salesforce entering the RPA or robotic robotic process automation. And space. And so they recently also acquired a, a, it’s also a German company called Service trace. And, uh, you know, they are niche RPA player, you know, again, based up in, in Germany, they’ve been at different all the time, I think since 2003, 2004.

Um, and you know, they didn’t really scale up scale as, as, as quickly as, as the other sort of big players, including UI path. Um, So it’s, it’s quite an interesting move from, um, from, from Salesforce to, to enter the RPA space. So it’s not just the movers and shakers with inside process mining, I think, um, uh, with insight RPA as well, there is, uh, there’s a lot of, uh, acquisitions, strategic acquisitions, uh, of course Servicenow acquired Intellibot as well.

Um, you know, IBM acquired WDG automation. And in 2020, of course, a big one was, uh, quite a surprising was it was Microsoft’s, uh, acquisitions acquisition of, um, soft emotive. Um, and that’s of course now incorporated into their, uh, power automate platform. Um, so again, you know, the, the, the market itself that there is.

It’s this space for a lot more on the dance floor, as they say. And it looks like, um, you know, a lot of the big players are still, um, focusing on, on RPA and for a good reason, you know, it is, uh, a technology that that is becoming very, very mainstream. Um, I think, you know, we, we talk a lot about low intensity.

Workflow automation, but of course, robotics actually, um, provide additional value to automation because you can, um, you know, uh, deploy robots to do mundane tasks that perhaps humans shouldn’t do in the first instance. Again, I’m thinking no surprise there that, um, you know, Salesforce has entered this market and what’s your view.

There’s a large customer base out there as well. Um, sort of competing in the, in the, in the business app space and. If you’re in on this, uh, on this platform. Cause then always something, because everyone starts thinking more about the, the end to end and the end to end and organizations, they are not just on, it’s not on Salesforce, not everything is end to end on Salesforce.

So every organization has to, yeah, it has to dip into some other systems at some point, uh, and some. Some of that then was covered by someone else. But if you buy by another vendor, obviously it’s not problem to, to include a blue prism, UI path automation, anywhere in that Salesforce makes and everyone has done so far.

Um, and, um, but now obviously, If you’re a Salesforce customer, you become a Salesforce customer, uh, as part of your journey now jumping onto this digital transformation, um, uh, program starting with low code, no code, new business apps, that kind of stuff. Now then you will ask yourself, okay, who can do also this and this and this because everyone has on their shopping list, all sorts of things, all these capabilities, all the capabilities we talking about here on the podcast, uh, all things automation really.

And. Everyone wants that. So it was, if sands was wouldn’t have edit RPA or some, some similar tool or on, onto the platform in comparison then says what doesn’t look like the strongest offering in the market anymore, but maybe for some so in some, some aspects, um, and, um, Yeah. And then you would look somewhere else.

There’s no way we may have, we maybe have another really full, complete automation platform. Now, when you know, Salesforce has RPA capabilities, you may be stick with Salesforce for longer, or you would really appreciate if your sort of main man that maybe has, has it already on. So it’s a, yeah, it’s an it’s, it’s an important morph.

Um, they already have done a couple of other acquisitions in the past, like MuleSoft when it came to sort of connecting systems with the API sort of integrations. Yeah. They’re all makes sense because it can’t be an isolated system these days. And we know in enterprises or in companies, you will have legacy systems.

You need to. Record maybe what, what people are doing and then, um, and sort of let, let the digital workforce sort of replicate that in high volume. So there’s no way around that. Um, it’s not, it’s not necessarily something which will be around in 20 years, uh, or maybe it will be because not still, we have lots of enterprises, not, not, not doing that move fast enough.

Um, But yeah, it’s a, it’s an interesting move and it will be good for, for customers who are keen on Salesforce in general and customers already using Salesforce. Yes, exactly. And I think, like you said, I think it’s a, it’s a, it’s a good strategic move for them to, um, especially for that. Enterprise customers.

So, you know, if there’s an RPA capability, it’s in the platform, there’s no need to, to actually, um, you know, um, introduce a new vendor. Um, you know, it’s all just part of the same platform and, um, you know, and it is sort of Salesforce focus is really to, to create this, this, this sort of modern works workspace.

Um, you know, for 42 users and to provide a sort of a very, very good customer, 360 view. Um, you know, for, for, for its subscribers, I think RPA is probably just one of those additional things that allows that to, um, to, to happen. If, if there’s some, some automation that needs to be built with insights at Salesforce, um, which can take advantage of RPA it’s in the same platform, they probably will open that up as well.

Um, and democratize that as well. So it’s not a very heavy. Um, sort of experience and very interesting and sort of just being lost new snippet, uh, from, from Nintex, of course, Nintex acquired K2 last year. And, uh, Nintex is, um, focusing on K2 five and it bringing announcements to K2 Five. Of course, K to five is a enterprise workflow automation platform.

That’s got workflow capabilities, electronic electronic form capabilities, as well as, uh, integration capabilities with, with third-party systems, the ability to create reports and you know, all of the best of breed world-class low-code elements you would expect, like, you know, security, scalability. Um, interestingly at a K2 five is, uh, the on-premise version of K2, which, which Nintex is, is, is obviously investing heavily on.

And, um, you know, some of the new features they bringing out. Sort of all profile. So it allows you to do create, uh, even better looking forms by, by using themes and styles. And of course, you know, that that just enhances the user experience elements, you know, when you build your. Um, and things like error resolution on your workflow, workflows, something work, a workflow goes into our estate.

Um, they just bring in, uh, features in that allows you to, um, you know, perform different actions. Um, if your workflow goes into areas, And then also continue on the software development lifecycle on the brain, continuous integration, continuous deployment pipelines. Um, so it just means that if you do check in your, your K2 forms, um, you know, there there’s automated packaging and deployment of your case.

Um, software and all of the resources. So, um, it’s good to see that, uh, they still investing in, in K2. Um, it’s, uh, it will be good to see the new features coming in. And then of course, um, you know, going forward into 2022, um, you know, it is on premise. I think a lot of, um, customers where they still, uh, prefer to have their sort of applications with insight, perhaps their own, uh, private cloud.

Um, you know, definitely, uh, a very, very good offerings, strong, strong support from, from, from Nintex. And again, it’s, it’s good to see them to continue in developing the K2 platform.

Yeah.

And so much news in general out there. So, um, after the, the previous news article news article news podcast episode, we have done, um, yeah, we, we received plenty of feedback. So this is why we jumping into this, uh, monthly roundups. And it was now it’s already end of the demands again. So, um, if, if, if you like us to cover more of these, uh, these news, or if, if you hear about something, we might not spot just, yeah, that was us.

And we happy to talk about this and our view on it. Otherwise we keep monitoring the market for the latest. Um, it’s super, super interesting looking forward to what the future brings and if you really like to dig deep into the whole process, discovery process, process automation in general, low-code, no-code, all these different areas, reach out to myself or Arno. We are always here for you to, to have a chat, and discuss your automation needs and you can join us next time again. Thank you very much.

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